Other brands in this range include Septieme Largeur, Andres Sendra and Janko. Both these shoemakers offer value far and a way above a UK shoe at a similar price point so they really are worth a look for a person prepared to put in the effort. The Hand-Welting construction of these shoes makes them be very good dress shoes that can fit into any wardrobe quite easily. Had the same experience with a pair of Oxfords from them and asked their sales rep about it. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. Was no question about it in any of the cases). Slightly low instep and volume. The Jermyn Street stores are run by a franchisee. document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); Footslide.com is a full-time participant of the Amazon Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, 2023 Footslide.com | All Rights Reserved. If you also have small heels and struggle to find well fitting good year welt leather shoes, I wholeheartedly recommend Japanese brands who have leather shoes that are specifically designed for the Japanese feet. Im surprised not to see JFitzpatrick in the Spain list. No more Stows for me. And do you know any retailer in continental Europe who sells Anthony Cleverley? And sorry for the long post, whenever I come across such I wonder whether the guy is a bit insane, but then, passion, what? Honest , relevant and informative. Viberg 2030: 10 - Good fit. In contrast, Ive always found EGs service excellent but my interactions (outside of lockdown) are entirely based on the Jermyn Street store and I cant say Ive asked for anything unusual. It is still quite hard to fathom the yearly price increases on EG shoes given their pitiful customer service. Carmina shoes come with better finishing than the Meermin shoes. It was a hard break in, mostly just the arch. When I complained I was told The second pair is always better ! The quality of the leather on my particular pair isnt as good as the Loake 1880 (or any of the other brands) but overall these are a well constructed pair of shoes. Topics include a wide range of brands from Crockett & Jones to Guidi. Alden Aberdeen 9.5D: Great fit. The dress shoes classics hold their own. Carminas are more expensive than Meermin shoes. Anyone that gets these Carmina shoes for their wardrobe would be getting some of the best style statements of their lives. The level above that is made in Japan, and includes brands like Scotch Grain (above) and Otsuka, with brands like Miyagi Kogyo and Oriental on a level above that. As a simple example, in the UK the price of Consul, a black calf, toe-cap Oxford will increase from the current price of 495 to 720. TLB (above) is a good example of how much more dynamic the Spanish shoe market is than the English. Grant Stone Leo 9D: Great fit all around. To me, the leather feels similar to Carmina, though possibly even stiffer and more inflexible. Edward Green)? Perhaps more time and break in on the stiff leather sole would make it work. The shoes might look good on the feet, but if you pick them up and look closer, youll notice little errors. Im always trying to promote Goodyear-welted shoes, but its not easy when someone has just tried Meermin, and thinks all proper shoes are that hard. It was a bit controversial, I remember some who felt pinpointed argued quite strongly against it. I'm also guessing that either 9 or 9.5 in their new wide sizes would work well. Buy Meermin shoes today because of how affordable they are. In India there is Bridlen (below), which makes a very solid, classic-looking shoe. AE is placed well below C&J and Carmina, lacklusterly portrayed together with cheaper brands, and tied with Loake. The other thing about Carmina is they have increased prices and reduced quality in some areas in recent years. Carmina: one step down from C&J but higher quality than the others on the list. Ive decided to get a pair of loafers, which Id wear with flannels, chinos, dark denim and (occasionally) shorts. These classy are built for the ultimate style, comfort, functionality, and elegance of the elite. Do you like the mor traditional English or contemporary French style more? Benzein Parang 42: Its a bit short, but wearable. They look nice but if I know Ill be in shoes the entire day and might walk a bit I do not wear them. For Meermin has started including thin leather insoles with the HOK boots now and they improve the fit significantly. What Id like to know is how much higher quality will the Trickers be over the Myrqvists? Finally and most importantly, find a last that truly fits your feet. The instep is high, but massive on the service boot pattern. I would caution anyone against reading the shoegazing blog. That would be much less possible for me at higher price points. Vibram FiveFingers: M43, they're shaped like feet. In addition they come in some very handsome styles. And that at the end of the day, I would be better off saving on a getting an additional major item a year of fine quality rather than getting a 30th shirt that I dont really need. Red Wing 8 9D: decent fit. Carmina Simpson Chelsea boot - 9.5 UK. Over the course of the day they tend to pinch my toes rather than stretching to accommodate my feet, as my C&J and Weston do. The fact is that Cheaney have one flagship store and the vast bulk of their business is on line whilst JL are paying for expensive locations and staff explains all at the end of the day its not so complicated. After that in the US you get down into much cheaper brands, like John Doe which are made in Mexico. Loake 024 last (F-Fit): 7UK a bit tight around toes and heel. Parkhurst 18 Last 9D: Too narrow, should have gone TTS. White's 50/50 9D: This is now one of my best fitting lasts. ), but perhaps that wouldnt be entirely appropriate. With TLB, you could choose a more versatile dark-brown calf, or perhaps brown suede but with leather soles. Even more troubling is that I found no review by an established website stating so. second chance thread), Carmina Green Shell Cordovan Frankenstitch Captoe Jumper Boot 10.5eee(uk) detroit last, RM Williams Comfort Craftsman or Carmina (Rain Last) Chelsea, *SOLD* Carmina Bourbon Shell Cordovan NST boot 8UK Forest last, Alden Color 4 Shell Cordovan Chukkas - Barrie last size 10 D, Alden x Leffot Saddle Shoe - Unglazed Cigar Shell Cordovan and Snuff Suede - 8D Barrie Last. Any other top level comments will be deleted. Aha, I see. Alden Aberdeen: 9.5E fits me really well with medium socks. * **Gaziano Girling DG70** 8.5FUK comfortable. But it fits pretty good and I'd happily buy another pair of 1035. Alden Plaza 9.5D: One of best fitting lasts, feels great. Finally, in terms of comfort, the insoles are much thicker and more comfortable in terms of conforming to the shape of my foot than any other shoes on this list (including Weston) other than Andres Sendra. I live in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam so I know these companies. So far I remained unconvinced but then again I dont know any better. You can use these comfortable shoes to show up appropriately for most events, in the most positive ways possible. The vamp was tight but not painful, toes were fine. 3. Take a ruler and measure between the base of the paper to the marked line. Initially uncomfortably tight across the vamp in shell and with moderate heal slip. Spoo coming through with a great thread. Throughout this commentary from Jesper, its worth keeping in mind that some of the points are objective, some more subjective. I have four pairs from them that cover all my needs and they are definitely as good as John Lobb who charge you over twice the price. Wearing socks, stand on a piece of paper with your feet against the wall. Again, a big thank you to Simon and Jesper for the article. Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Of course a 200 shoe is going to look and feel cheap. Allen Edmonds 65: 10.5D - Okay fit. What struck a cord for me is consistency of (most) english manufacturers. Those two are quite similar, in that they both have pretty large marketing budgets, run their own retail, and have ridden the wave of classic menswear in the past few years. Made in Spain. Travel Shoes Poll: What shoes do you bring with you on short trips? Heel is a bit wider than I'd like when new but does break in. I started out with Allen Edmunds because they offer reasonably priced shoes (for Americans) with decent quality. With Carmina you can get a more refined shoe - closed-channel stitching, a more bevelled waist and so on. Would you stick to brands such as Alden, EG, (or else) for RTW ? p.s. Vans Old Skool/Era: 11D, solid out of the box. I'll try to be fairly comprehensive In terms of quality, yes Trickers will be better and worth the money I think. About 4 or 5 years ago, I naively bought a pair of Loake Shoemakers and the quality was very poor. I still end up with shoes that are markedly higher quality than the vast majority of whats sold, and the more reasonable prices allow me to accumulate a broader range of options. Below that, there are smaller differences created by new entrants to the market. Same thing is true at a luxury level. To me, they have been 100% worth the money. I made the same experience with Bobbies shoes which ended in an oddyssey of sending shoes back and forth. Moreover, theres no industry standard in how to name these things so anyone can call anything what they like. Having a shorter HTT than HTB allows me to wear it 1 down from by brannock. Overall, Meermins are not as good as Carminas because the Meermin shoes seem to be poorly finished when they are compared to the Carminas. On the other hand, Meermins wont last you as long as Carminas will. Most brands in that price segment have fewer offers for you in terms of lasts. TLB Artista full review here Snug in thick socks. Cross posting in case any regular readers of this thread can help. Still being worn with same sock thickness as the other Parkhurst last. Permanent Style is the UK authority on classic and luxury menswear. He is, at the moment, offering something special forum readers. Well start with three Swedish ones, all making in Spain or Portugal. Theyre perhaps most similar to Skolyx, in being a very simple make but with good materials. Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. With 10.5D, my feet are usually swimming in the shoe. Ive been a big fan of Crockett & Jones, Carmina and Edward Green. Foot extends past footbed on sides. https://eu.jmweston.com/en/collections/bottines-homme/products/edouard-chukka-boot-homme-cuir-veau-velours-marron-fonce, Thats certainly a risk with some French brands, but not usually with Weston. I think one point that was briefly touched on but very important is that the different brands price point will be really different depending where you are. Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes when all things are considered. However, it shows. I think it makes sense for C&J to stick to making shoes and not running shops. It is good with athletic socks. I would instead recommend taking this last TTS and just wearing thick socks as sometimes it can run small. My most desired English brand is C&J. Were the shoes more structured I would go with 9.5D. Here's some of my sizing for reference: Meermin RON 11.5 medium Tricker's Bourton 10.5 Tricker's Stow 11 Carmina Xim UNLINED 10.5 Carmina Simpson 11.5 Alden Grant 11.5 Boot socks. Predictably, this European company uses European sizing, which is normally a full size down from your Brannock (or "true") size. Total:1,176 (members:154, guests:1,022), Preorders, Group Made-to-order, trunk shows, and o. This was several years ago, so my recollection isnt as detailed. I havent covered Allen Edmonds in the past both because I havent had much experience of them, and because they were below the quality level we normally cover on PS hence their inclusion in this article, which was intended to round-up lots of cheaper makers. Some of it is differences in leather and lined vs unlined, but a lot of it is lasting differences. Leather board can, and top-end shoes use pure leather, which adapts even more. Great stitch density and overall construction for a GYW loafer that normally runs 160 euros. The two lasts I mentioned are super comfortable straight out of the box, and I can wear them all day without the slightest discomfort. I dont think theyre very different, but no I cant compare directly, as I dont own GC RTW. The shoes have a slim bevelled waist (stitched all the way to the heel), a close-cut heel and a leather heel stiffener. For what its worth, Ive purchased more boots in the past 3 years than any other style of footwear (dress/service types of models). I am asking because this difference has never really been clear to me. With shoes, up to a certain quite high price point, you get what you pay for and further this is possible to judge objectively. . Its a company started in 2014 that I discovered today. Also, the chunky sole and derby construction arent that suited to suits. Jack, I havent looked at Weston in quite a while Im afraid Jack, but from what I remember they are around that kind of level, yes. You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. No real complaints, but I haven't tried them in quite a while. Ive never heard of it or tried it, and probably wouldnt in the future as I say at the top of this most, this isnt my area of expertise really. Way too narrow and painful all around, last too tapered for my taste. Maybe a little wide fitting but enjoyable and no breaking in required. AE has excellent customer service to this day. Porter?). The alternative was to shut out the market of men with wider feet. It requires more knowledge to be able to see the difference between welted shoes at different stages of the quality segment, in general. Worth asking. You are using an out of date browser. spoo -- great thread idea (I'll soon add my info ). Guess it goes to show how individual it all is. An interesting read. Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). CARMINA belvtor.by - CARMINA 100% 10016 U www.clinicarinologica.com - 6.5 CARMINA ecovitaconstrutora.com.br 17,500 . I believe that I am at the upper limit for this last. Then last but not least, my longwing pair (not available anymore I'm afraid). For something more formal I turn to Carmina which provides the best bang for the buck. Check Availability Meermin Wingtips Review Total:1,176 (members:154, guests:1,022), Preorders, Group Made-to-order, trunk shows, and o. Joseph Cheaney are undoubtedly the thinking flaneurs cordonnier. If youre better of with 2 pairs of JC than 1 pair of JL is another question. I know last shape and design are the most obvious differences. Morjas uses corrected-grain leather, despite their claims to the contrary. The Brannock size (heel-to-toe) will be the top parent comment. Theyre the only pair from this collection that I got out of the box and went wow. **Notes about feet:** Left foot pretty much bang on 9D, right foot maybe 9.25D. 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